Bullhe Shah di Shaairi tooN saanooN ehde wal kei ishaare milde neiN. !Mera ranjha palle de vich pa de | Maaye main kujh hor na manga | Je tenu ranjhe nal torta SongMera ranjha palle de vich pa . I just grew out of it on my own through openiing my mind and knowing better. Also, saying things directly and more openly without the purdah of gender might be a bold thing to do but not necessarily a better poetry. ChhayR naaN mairay dil day tar, Sameer bhra ji sanu ki sunaanday O asiN te saara kujh daak raahi mangwaanday aan.
Tohadi So you have brought intelligence, order, knowledge and a whole lot more into the poem. de analysis baare meiN jehRa comment post kite ohde vich tying diaaN bohat ghaltiaaN neiN. The issue under debate was to decide whether the accused was guilty of murder or manslaughter. Towanu pata ee hai, eho jahe Punjabi odhoN sirf ban-dE ne jad jeb nu faida disse...vaise kitthe, ethe aye sun, Punjabi boli massi jaaNdi see ohna koloN...evee vadde desh de sher bani firde, jinne apna vehra naa sambiya ohne hor kisse da kee sambh laina...kee khyaal e? . The number flows as following. She gave them no choice...I want to cry at comments like this. It was something like: MTM: TaranjanaN is like KeeRi, difficult to pronounce correctly. There is no need to meddle with that as such. It will give menaing of defiance about women's place in society and rebelling against Ucch which represents status quo, traditional exploitation through patriarchal system. DB Ji: My appologies. How masses live and pass their lives it is not their concern. Thhaar operi= Strange place As I was reading it, some verses from Ata-Ullah Khan Esakhelvi's song came to mind. This ghazal was sung by Ustad Salamat Ali Khan and later by his son Amanat Ali Khan. The purpose is not to prove which language is better in its own right, but to suggest which language is better for Punjabis. She kept begging not to stop before reaching Danabad because she can perceive the events better than Mirza knowing her brothers, but Mirza had other ideas. Thanks. You know what steroetypical impression people can get. It talked about the land and revenue system that was very well put together in Akbar's times by one of his right hand man, Todar Mal. They know the threats which will come to their kingdom which they have estabished on the name of religion. Ooooops, it should have been in this form. DullaBhatti: One more very important point I missed is that in Indian philosophical thought dukha or remorse plays pivotal role. Is Pakistani national anthem written in intellectual Urdu loaded with Persian or written in even more intellectual Persian with the sprinkle of Urdu? Canada? The state strategists (Punjabi elites) know that once Punjabi is vigorously pursued as a medium of instruction in schools it will result in the rise of the movement of cutting down Punjab to its right size sooner rather than latter the result of which would be the loss of privileges currently being enjoyed by Punjabi elites in a system of division of national resources based on proportional population. Ik jiNd si te doja kalboot, te jiNd kalboot da akhir donaan da ik-mik hona e. Ohde vich sharike wali doee da keh kam. You say that 'things are far from perfect back in Punjab'. Regards Sardarz. Tak da wee hass da wee maahi mairay dil da<
Just saying or singing good poetry does not mean that one becomes also sufi. These, however, can never be nearly as bad as in Pakistani Punjab. I have to think through the verses, before I say something. Bali: It is not just Deol brothers. "Hachha jaoo Daata (Daata Gunj Bakhash- es wajh tooN lahore nooN Data di nagri vi kehNde neiN) tohada waali". It compensates to a large degree for extra effort I mentioned above. Look at Sahjay Dutt, Kapoors, Akshay Kumar, Hritik Roshan and many more. de jhunD othe ee kidhre ghumde phirde hone neiN. Urdu poetry has different taste and base. MTM: Sorry Mujhae Zarb'ul'Misl/Muhawra Sumujh Main Naheen Aya. . Bravo. Punjabi magazines and newspapers do not get government advertisements which is the biggest source of income for newspapers. DullaBhatti: I was listening to panjabradio.co.uk last night and too many people were calling to request RakhRi songs. Believe me, I do not look at women beauty from tamashbeene point of view. . One can not compare culture and traditional outlook. . It is emotion recollected in tranquility. This portion was actually for Bali, per ohne aj naheeN paRhna. In most of NFAK songs also, it appears that he is singing on behalf of female(s). Bali: Thanks for letting us know about the Saleem music choice show, actually there was no surprise in his choice of music it was pretty much 'meri pasand' too. This riled me up enough, but then the following deeply saddened me. wich lassi di dukaan...te oh hall gate de baahir machhi di dukaan...eh saare saade pairaaN di maar haiTh hunday si...par sachi gall machhi di dukaan jinnay paise ni si saaday kool hunday..bass Kesar da dhaba zinda baad:) te je bahuti pahunch howe te BharawaN da Dhaba city hall koll....aippar lassi te kulfi asiN kade nai si chhaddi bhaweiN bhanDay maanjnay pain baad 'ch.:). We grant you another couple of billion seconds of healthy and happy life. Best wishes from Pakistan for those who try to cooldown the warfire. Who can stop anybody from speaking any language? Tainu sufnay ch takaya ne maae Tainu takk dil nachaya ne maae Tairee pichhay pichhay bhajaya ne maae Tthayda khhada tay maiN digaya ne maae Mainu digay nouN touN chukaya ne maae Gal layaa mathhaa chummaya ne maae MaithhouN haal maira puchhaya ne maae Tairay bahjouN jo we khhatiaN ne maae Pal pal jeRaa kattaya ne maae Tainu dukhh saara dasaya ne maae, Sunn haaRayaaN nouN mairay Boli dukhh kahnouN sayhRay Langay wailayaaN nouN rouna Hanjou haraaN ch parouna NaiyouN JindRee day karay Ainj honday nai guzaray Jind muR naiNyouN aowna Waila langdayaaN jaowna Sadaa kissay naiNyouN rayhna MaiN tay aay he tainu kayhna Jo we labhay din chaar OhnouN Hass kay guzaar Langay wailayaaN de yaad Row row keeti barbaad Sohnay samay diyaaN galaaN JevaiN ravi diyaaN chhalaaN Saday katth diyaaN yadaaN JevaiN mungiaN muradaaN JadouN aawaaN tainu yaad Dil kar layeeN tou shaad Dil bol payaa mairaa LaweeN sufnay ch phhaira Muki raat see hanairee Akhh khhul gae mairee. Nothing better than a good relationship with brother as neighbor. Take that bitterness out of the system. However, as regards preservation of their mother tongue, Punjabis of Pakistan have displayed a neglect of criminal proportions. I am rather concerned at its becoming extinct at the hands of none other than Punjabis really fast without any external intervention. Ishq je saadi bhaal mullaaN" I try to avoid laght weight stuff during day time, although it is no problem for me to post during work. I thought the sister ties the rakhRi on brothers wrist wishing safety of him(and not protection of her). I plan to expand on it in a more detail article shortly. I suppose I should not be surprised as there are still some misguided souls who consider Hitler an angel sent from God. Following light worded poem is for the silient majority, Tutti yaari tay oo marr da aay gayRay Buhaa patayaa sou pa pa hunn phhayray Tay aggay naa bulaayaaN bolda, hunn souchayaa aay pyar di nai karnee ghulami OhnouN dus ditta mukki hunn pyar di kahaani Baitthaa hunjuaaN nouN tip tip dolda Tay aggay naa bulaayaaN bolda, Dil thhak gaya sunn sunn oos day bahaanay OhnouN dus ditta langay hunn qolaaN day zamanay Baitthaa ketayaaN kararaaN nouN phharolda Tay aggay naa bulaayaaN bolda, aisay ishqay touN souchayaa way jaan maiN chhuRaNwaaN OhnouN dus ditta waylay kahnouN row row kay langaNwaaN Baitthaa dil diyaaN galaaN payaa khholda Tay aggay naa bulaayaaN bolda. All attempts to convert a theory, applicable to a certain time period and purpose, into a law and national identity has miserably failed as our national condition and international standing clearly attest. and moment or the poet remembers that feeling even after a decade from the time he uttered Second front is also as important and political activism to save and promote Punjabi among Punjabis and in Punjab must happen. Naabhar raNg osaaro On the other hand many supporters of Punjabi language, mostly from PPP, will win. MaiN vee sochaN ke aj Ravi te Chenab da pani lal kyuN? Tak da wee hass da wee maahi mairay dil da this is the one i was talking about. In short, it is stupidity, selfishness, greed and so on that underlies the outward bragging about Islamic System. One thing that is a bit confusing in this discussion on Punj poetry is the use of the word 'remorse'. The contributions of the people of Punjab, especially Lahore, to the flowering of cinematic arts in the subcontinent have had tremendous impact on this domain of creative human endeavours. As a practical matter, both English and Urdu should be taught as secondary languages at some level of school or college education in West Punjab to provide a working knowledge in these languages, but not at the expense of a thorough grounding in Punjabi starting from the primary classes. Bali: Without getting into Indian spiritual philosophies or Hinduism, it must be understood that practical aspects of Hinduism are weaved around local customs and traditions. The simplicity is intellectual in Punjabi literature and elitism/ mushkil pasandi is nonsense. We are far away from education. Dulla Bhatti Ji! Bali Jee: agar koe geet naa milayaa tay ess baray ghor kar laynaa..........chunga aay naa nahi....ay faisla tuhada..Allah bailee, Sameer Jee: America wich phhaRya gya tay phair oo bubul hi ban jaye ga. Why is state so determined to impose Urdu on people with your so-called "stagnanat consiousness of the worst kind"? I want to see how you will put it in verses. I think to have a state of mind but not to have a comfortable space for it is like a daali of a beautiful rose hanging in air which will die sooner or later. They sought and got employment with the Maiden Theatre and New Theatres. It is not easy to sutvive on selling poetry in the form of books. I also agree with writer. There was absolutely no chance for Mirza to kill all attackers who would have surrounded him. The miseries of Pakistani masses are byproduct of many factors and can hardly be laid at the doorstep of any language. I ask the powers that be, do we have to put up these inane ramblings?? Shafqat Tanveer Mirza also discussed Siraiki & Punjabi issue relating with the poetry of Kh. Bas eh hai ki dujayN utte danda na vajaye ki jo oh kar reha ohi theek hai te baqi sab galat. The influence of Nwab of Bahawalpur clan has been dowmward and backing or initiating such movement is a mean to reclaim some of the lost influence. . Ajje te meiN hune soRmaa paa ke aaya saaN". I did not meant all what i wrote for you. I felt so sorry for the chipmunk. Malna apne jusse This post can be removed afterwards, well, it will be. Ichhabal = power of wishes? Nobody buys poetry books of Farhat Abbas Shah. To me it is unfair to make comparisons between languages. 2. Khawaja I too was totally insulted, lekin, par mein vee ik sidda punjabi jawab hee dena see, have found it is better to not acknowledge such remarks! Dear friends...towadiaaN te hona de duwaavaaN sadkE I am beginning a new show tommorrow on a 24 hour Punjabi station in addition to keeping the one I have.. it will be on 1550 am in BC, and will also eventually reach over most of North America. Boddhism starts with "Life is Dukha". But we are, for the most part, Punjabis living in a western environment, and I believe that we have a changed sensibilty and responsibility. In short, I disagree with You proved to be a resourceful Shikra. But, some are not even worth that. Bali ji, congratulations. Same is more true for Tamils and Keralites. Five times a day praying Good Muslims would even so be-sharam to asking us drinking and partying so-called Muslims to help them find a person to temporaily marry them for 5000 dollars. A Map Is Only One Story: Twenty Writers on Immigration, ... Getting the ticket for that paradise is becoming more and more diffffffffffffffficult. Today, Javaid Boota Jee visited me. animals when it comes to possesion of women. They replied, "We are Muslims. It takes extra effort to learn Persianized and Arabized idioms and phrases. Other is that Sikhs wanted to have a unit where they can have more say in the affairs, like having 50 percent or more population. It relates Saeed Farani Jee: Punjabi should be taught not as a medium or mode but as a language and for that i dont think there will be much hue and cry. You have done it. Many other such ideas have seen the dust and this one will too. Udd giya panchhi, shaam roee . The best model, I could come up with after active participation, was that of Taliban. Eh koi chaah patti aaley da sheh'r lagda? My dear Imran...do not bother responding to this. A universal truth is not a fact of course, but maybe the best one can say is that it is a deep understanding, an insight. I was seriously feeling miserable as I could not recollect. SialaN naal taaN meri dor dee vee rishtedari nahi. Do not take me wrong. Zahra.
SameerAll that stuff about saraiki, bahawali, haryanvi etc, etc. Your foul abusive language may well have been deleted by the time this post goes up...I hope it is not so that others are able to see your true colours, and not take anything you have say seriously. Third, there is strong leftist/ communist tradition among literary individuals all across South Asia to detest class structure leading to disparity, destitude and so on. Sameer ji They tried to bring Urdu poetry close to reality and nature and paved the way for progressive movement. Finally they had no choice but to opt.
Any critical comments on Urdu language or literature come as a shock.
For instance, we still celebrate lohri but it should be celebrated for boys and girls.
DullaBhatti: He was Shameer and not Sameer. You are right. Best regards. Thanks for the suggestions. It's always a pleasure to read your finely put thoughts. The culturally vivacious citizens of Lahore, over the centuries, have inherited much from the historical fusion of different civilizations and interactions among the followers of different faiths. Rab TuhanuN Wee Khush Rakhay, Safir Ji! Thanks for letting me know. Lekin Vancouver de khulle AkhadE da mazaa le sakde ho aake, kehra samundar paar karna painaa e, sohni ne taaN kache gharE te vee sanu tarnaa sikhaaya, eh te gal ee koi naheeN, jahaaz ch udh ke aa jao, gaddi ch baikE aa jao! There might be an element of resentment in Saraiki movement against the domination of abadkar but it is not aganst Punjab or Punjabi language. That is his best work. However, English medium is being promoted due to various valid reasons but Urdu medium is there for classes who can not afford or support English medium. I once tried vegetarianism for many months but it is difficult to keep up, when eating mostly outside. People are fed up with the status quo based on TNT(2 nations theory) baggage, that is leading us nowhere. Eh tuhada apna Punjab e. Jam jam ao. Have a happy fall! . Chalo jidah Punjabi'ch kendeh hundeh ah ke kuthe pounk deh ah teh pounkan deo. assert their independent identity cannot be ignored. The good lady Godiva accepted the challenge. What do you make out of it? MTM: I will have to take out sometime to jot down the exact verses with right words. http://sawf.org/newedit/edit08052002/news.asp. Few years back evrybody who is anybody in both Punjabs showed up to his daughter's wedding including Indian Election Commissioner, Gill, Indian Punjab's chief minister and more than half the ministers.
Solzenitsen (lost the spelling) may have gone back, but did his children do so as well? aana kee bhaalE, do akhaaN! Bhutto decided to replace Urdu with Punjabi in Punjab but this QABZA group could not accept it and punjabies stayed unfortunate as usual. Bali Ji! Jaa wasyooN kis thhaar operi will we ever know that Bade Ghulam Ali Khan was as good if not better than Tansen or Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan a better qawwal than the qawwals in the moghul period, or if the 'Rock' is a better wrestler than Dara Singh (oops sorry for that comparison).
MeiN nahi album suneya hoya kisE ne mainu dassiya see. Chalo jidooN tusi saade piNd aaso te tohaanooN 'pehle riRke di chaati aali lussi cha piasaaN'. All the more reason you should frequently participate to clean and clear the air :). Punjabis and Punjabi language on the other hand followed the opposite path. Mere Ranjah Palle De Wich Pa De | Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan ... . Some people actually made a big fuss about it in 80s...even Patar had to clarify once that it was written long time ago and not for them:-)...but it is a beautiful poem and touches the nerve of anyone who is in that situation...in fact people in diaspora think that, that poem is for them too. SO Rammah Jee and MTM jee, this case is not so simple rather very complecated and complex. Moreover, your statement that The mysticism and mystic poetry does not go well with extrovert, exuberant and often exorbitant nature with strong love for land, family, friends, festivals and free spiritedness of Punjabis is superficial and is devoid of reality. AandiaaN ee povaaRa pa ditta je. Mera ranjha palle de vich pa de funny video - YouTube Jealousy and me?
A father or brother guilty of honor killing can be pardoned by another family member (other than the nurderer(s). I do not know if anybody will agree with me or not but speaking, communicating or even light teasing in Punjabi language is exceptionally charming, entertaining and satisfying. I am surprised that you decent intellects still take what imran (god have mercy on his simple stupid naive soul) has to contribute to this site, seriously. that was developed over the centuries by some great minds. He is a Punjabi Muslim from Lahore and i a Punjabi Sikh from Jalandhar. Sials and Kharals were equally brave and expert with bow and arrows. Tusi fikr na kareo te apna dil khush rakho. Punjab here is now bigger than it was at the time of independence unlike the other Punjab that has been truncated time and again. I read someone saying that Southasians Thanks. I have no desire to compare Urdu and Punjabi. You are constantly provoking her unnecessarily. They keep on absorbing what they see in their surroundings and probably start knowing/learning too much before the time. We really never stood by the oath until Bilal's(best freind) father past away. With reference to my article on Shiv Kumar Batalvi (July 28), I greatly appreciate that you took the time to provide an excellent translation of Shiv's verses that were quoted in the article. There are other reasons. Moale chaaNdni faloode aale di dokaan agge khilota har mohalle daar da haal pochh diaaN awaaz diNda e "aao Baoo Ji kidi saade kol vi do miNt beh jaaya karo. Bali ji: happy birthday!
Hun wee sayhra likh kay frame karwaya jaa sakda aay. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. Sassi rayt thhalaaN wich saR gayee U say less but you bring a lot of sweetness with you to this forum. Punjabi already had a treasure of progress literature (not necessarily in the Marxist sense,). Jahangir accepted it and helped her and so it became a cultural ritual. Little Gandhian approach of non-cooperation or refusing/ ignoring to respond actually works. . Baki rahi gal Vancouver dee te oh masla e koi nahi. Shahmukhi is actually Arabic script and convenient for Muslims due to the similarity with Quranic script. He really belongs on this site with rest of the heeras of Punjab. - tera paTTeya vairnay ni, ikk hor kabootar phaRhak giya. I think there is a better word, slipped from my mind right now). Bali ji, that is a beautiful Ghazal of SS Misha. But if you study Mirza SahibaaN, you will find: YaaaraaN choraaN wich beth ke, na karye gal khari or as Mian MOhammad Bakhash said,: aamaaN be-ikhlaasaaN under khaasaaN di gal karni. Bullah said, "What did they ask you?" Insani zindagi da kaynawas aina zyada phhaylia honda aay kay ohnouN samaitnaaN ais tareekay naal kay lokaaN tak ous banday di pahchaan pohanch jay baRa oukhha jayha lagda aay. It is hard to find any other example in the modern history where a population as large as West Punjabis that has been systematically educated to abandon their own language, culture and literature. Shahjada Salim is no match for Gurdas Mann or Hans Raj Hans. Urdu flourished and prospered because poetry and literature kept on moving.
The serial is supposed to be a documentary style show, partly looking at events leading upto partition, personal stories, stories of re-union, where do we go from here, all with the objective of making people realise it was not 'they did it to us' but that people of all three faiths were not exempt from committing the atrocties that occurred. ana Jee.
JidooN daaliaN oNdiaaN neiN oh vi dholaaN de naal. MTM and Javed Zaki poetry is very entertaining and has even inspired me to jokingly say a verse or two. . Oh and for anyone who is still feeling a little green, I'm off to a barbeque, no saag or makki dee roti and no singers in sight! I have never found that number on any CD despite having a decent collection of his work. Dukhh naiyouN phholna, TouN tay jaanana waiN mairayaaN khiyalaaN wali gal It may be there, but I did not see. Ok. Rak Rub. Dil dunniyaa day wich naiyouN maira lagda MTM mere kol e geet nahi hai, te meiN soch rahiaaN ki punjabi geet koi mil jaave te bahuta vadiya hovE. On the whole, Punjabis in Pakistan have done well for themselves. Pakistan is not the only country that entered the modern era of nation states with various languages and dialects. Ranjha Ranjha kerdee nee main/Ape Ranjha hoee, Repeating the name of Ranjha/I have become Ranjha myself (Bulleh Shah). Scientifically there is nothing that separates earth from sky. What We Saw Anyway, jehRiaN juttiaN paiN da der see oh private channel te aj pey chukiaN. The roasted chickens, steaks and gold and silver foiled deserts are just not there. Thank You. . Thorhi accomodation te generosity honi zaroori hai ena lokaN vaaste. Colonial Lahore: A History of the City and Beyond By the way, whether Najm used the Kafi form in his poetry or not is more a matter of semantics. I cannot recollect at this time. Tehni tehni shool hoee. During the last elections, out of 122 provincial assemblt=y seats from Saraiki Belt (as proposed by the supporters of Saraiki suba), only 30 could speak Saraiki and most of them considered Saraiki a Punjabi accent. Please read more about it. Best of luck. Dullabhatti, the new number involves a 2 and 3 although not necessarily in that order. Comparing different dialects of Punjabi with standardized Urdu is not a fair comparison, nor is the presence of different spoken dialects of Punjabi a weakness of Punjabi. Dulla Bhatti: shaid tusi mera sheh'r ghor naal nahi paRhya. The rest is political games and why buy into that? Jeyounday Rahoo....Dahda mushkal kam pay kar day pai oo. paRh ke maza aa giya...khas karke pehalwan sahib te kaafi nazdeek khalotay mehsoos hoye ne:-). The establishment will make sure that Punjabis remain unaware of the plunders of Abdali and ruthlessness of Ghaznavi and Ghauri in Punjab. Just accept your place as house of God as well as Heaven. Is it possible that I am the only one here who found this an insult. No common person will like to be called anti-nationalist. aj kitho.n liyayeh labh ke Waaris Shah ik hor. Summan and Sameer: I liked sameer's interpretation very much. But you know as you said earlier that some Pendoos name the nearest town as their home may be due to their own insecurity or sometime due to lack of self esteem but they grow out of it.Rabb Rakha. I dont know but I was hurt. The intellectual view is that we should not indulge in such "low level contraversies. This has absolutely nothing to do with the superiority of Urdu over other Pakistani languages. I mean I feel another sort of love for Shiv too. If Urdu, your so called language of love teaches you to be such a low life then I can hold my head up high and be proud to be a Punjabi. Saraiki province can only be created under military dictatorships and no democratic government of Pakistan can seriously think of dividing Punjab. I consider it the worst form of social engineering. Tusi hukam te karo. it will be ready. Hun eh delete karan nu vee jee nahi ker reha. Shukria. Also, I feel that there is a lot of remorse in Punjabi Poetry. to the love epic of Sassi-PonooN Never got to see a show live, and never met him...and he truly is to me gift from God, that we will always cherish our whole lives.
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